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Sir Thomas More and Jane Austen

July 25, 2021 by Vic

Sir Thomas More will be familiar to many of us from Robert Bolt’s stage play and 1966 film, A Man For All Seasons, and from Hilary Mantel’s more recent book, Wolf Hall. For those persons who confine their reading to the six novels of a certain Georgian lady and don’t recognize his name, he was Lord High Chancellor of England from October 1529 to 16 May 1532, under King Henry VIII. He steadfastly refused to condone Henry’s desire to break from the Catholic Church to facilitate his divorce from Catherine of Aragon; Henry’s solution was to order his execution.

 

Sir Thomas Moore statue outside the Chelsea parish church, near the location of Sir Thomas's estate. Photo by Ronald Dunning.
Sir Thomas Moore statue outside the Chelsea parish church, near the location of Sir Thomas’s estate. Photo by Ronald Dunning.
watercolor of Jane Austen
Cassandra Austen’s watercolor portrait of her sister, Jane

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Neither the historical record nor the dramatisations document his descendant lines to any extent, but Sir Thomas and his wife Jane Colt established a fertile line of progeny. A genealogist and descendant, the late Martin Wood, in his book The Family and Descendants of St Thomas More) [1] thought that the tally so far could number one hundred thousand. What has never been on the public record is a direct family connection between Sir Thomas and Jane Austen. The link is in the maternal line of Mrs. Austen, Cassandra Leigh, through her maternal great-grandmother, Anne Dawtrey.

George Austen and Cassandra Leigh both had some knowledge of their fathers’ ancestries but, I suspect, little of their mothers’. Cassandra was proud of her paternal lineage – her great-grandfather was the 8th Lord Chandos, her great-uncle was the first Duke of Chandos, and her distant cousin Edward Leigh was Baron Leigh of Stoneleigh. Her mother Jane Leigh (née Walker) lived with the Austens at Steventon for the last four years of her life, and the first four of their marriage. Of the Austens’ parents she was the one best known to them, and it seems safe to assume that she’d have talked about her forebears. However the current record of Cassandra’s maternal family extends back only to her great-grandmother, and it’s likely that she knew nothing of earlier generations.

Until recently I had not given Anne Dawtrey any attention – her son-in-law (and Cassandra’s maternal grandfather) John Walker, ‘Doctor of Physick at the University of Oxford,’ had both dominated and frustrated my attention. I have to report that he continues to elude not just me, but several archivists at the University of Oxford as well.

The only detail recorded for Anne, confirmed by the licence allegation for her marriage to James Perrott (dated 23 November, 1667) [2], was that she was of Petworth in Sussex. When I got round to looking, the Dawtreys revealed themselves to have been a long-established Petworth family, with additional estates in Essex and Suffolk. They were wealthy enough to leave Last Wills and Testaments that are preserved at The National Archives [3]; and bore Arms (that is, heraldic Arms), so their pedigree is recorded in the Sussex County Visitations [4]. Working through those and other sources, I was able to establish that Anne’s great-great grandfather was William Dawtrey, who had been elected MP for Sussex in 1563 and died in 1591, and that his wife was Margaret. 

Margaret’s surname had been recorded as Rogers in the Visitations; it was only on finding William’s biography in the website of The History of Parliament [5] that I learnt that she was in fact a Roper, and that she was the daughter of William Roper of Eltham, Kent. It didn’t take long to discover that this was the William Roper who had married Margaret More, the devoted daughter of Sir Thomas More. (William Roper was Sir Thomas’s first biographer; Margaret More, besides supporting her fsther during his trial, retrieved his head from the executioner; it is now interred in the Roper vault under the Chapel of St. Nicholas in St. Dunstan’s, Canterbury.)

Anne Dawtrey was a 4th-great-granddaughter of Sir Thomas; Jane Austen was an 8th-great-granddaughter. While researching Jane’s maternal pedigrees I have found many very interesting ancestors, but none so surprising as Sir Thomas. The chance that she knew this is negligible! If these details have any bearing on Jane Austen herself, it’s in the way that they illustrate that her descent was through some of the most interesting people in British history.

In the preceding paragraph I wrote “none so surprising as Sir Thomas.” But here’s another detail that comes close. Sir Thomas More’s parents, Sir John More (a Judge of the Common Pleas and of the King’s Bench) and Alice Graunger, had four surviving children, of whom he was the second eldest. His youngest sibling, Elizabeth, married John Rastell, and they too established a successful line of progeny.  One of their great-grandsons was amongst the worthiest of Jane Austen’s distant cousins, the great English poet John Donne.

Frank Austen (l) & Ronald Dunning (r)
Frank Austen (l) & Ronald Dunning (r)

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About the author:

Ronald Dunning is the creator of the Ancestry.com “Jane Austen Family Tree,” which is undergoing an update as his research continues. He learned through his grandmother that her family was in some way related to Jane Austen. After moving from Canada to England in 1972, he pursued this intriguing information and discovered that Frank Austen [Jane’s brother] was her great-great-grandfather. Find more information in Deb Barnum’s 2012 interview with Mr. Dunning for Jane Austen in Vermont, An Interview with Ron Dunning on his Jane Austen Genealogy ~ The New and Improved Jane Austen Family Tree!

References:

[1] The Family and Descendants of St Thomas More. Martin Wood. Gracewing, Leominster, 2008. ISBN 978 0 85244 681 2

[2] Marriage Allegations in the Registry of the Vicar-General of the Archbishop of Canterbury. Harleian Society Vol. XXIII, 1886. p.142

[3] Probate Records:

William Roper, PROB 11/60/365 (in which he names his ‘daughter Dawtrey’)

William Dawtrey (d.1591) PROB 11/78/329

Sir Henry Dawtrey (d. 1646) PROB 11/196/139

William Dawtrey (d.ca 1679) PROB 11/361/238

[4] Visitations of Sussex for 1530 and 1633-4; Harleian Society, London, Vol.LIII, 1905; p.32

[5] History of Parliament Online: http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1558-1603/member/dawtrey-william-1591

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  1. on July 25, 2021 at 15:45 Jane

    In my genealogy research, I’ve also found the maternal lines to be the most interesting. Thanks for the information on Jane!


  2. on July 25, 2021 at 18:16 generalgtony

    “A genealogist and descendant, the late Martin Wood, in his book The Family and Descendants of St Thomas More) [1] thought that the tally so far could number one hundred thousand. ”
    That is an incredible number. I know for certain, I am not one of them. My ancestry spreads out among impoverished Irish farm labourers and Scottish highland peasantry. My mothers maiden name was Reeves. Some hope of anglo saxon lower management levels there I suppose. But, descendance from an aristocratic line such as Thomas More, no hope!! Ha! Ha!


    • on July 26, 2021 at 07:27 Polly

      I wouldn’t be overjoyed to discover the Sainted More among my ancestors. He may have had the courage of his convictions, but he was a rather cruel and unpleasant man – nothing like the character in Robert Bolt’s play.


      • on July 27, 2021 at 10:40 generalgtony

        Hi Polly. Apparently one of his unsavoury habits was a bit of self flagellation. The Catholic Church was very quick to canonise him as a Saint. He was obviously against Henry VIII’s divorce form Catherine of Aragon and pro the papacy. More, would never have condoned the Reformation in England. He was the Popes man. Making him a Saint was a massive snub against Henry. A political move.


        • on July 27, 2021 at 10:46 generalgtony

          More was canonised in 1935.Maybe notr as quick as I thought bt he was held up as a paragon of Catholic virtuers long before then.
          “Pope Pius XI canonised More in 1935 as a martyr. Pope John Paul II in 2000 declared him the patron saint of statesmen and politicians.”
          That last bit. Patron Saint of statesmen and politicians.So still, by 2000 the Catholic church were ignoring his unsavoury side. Beggars belief. Patron Saint of Boris and Donald. Blimey. The mind boggles.


        • on July 27, 2021 at 12:22 Polly

          The mind boggles indeed! I’d overlook the self flagellation as I don’t really care about what consenting adults do in private, but considering his penchant for burning dissidents at the stake I would not vote for any politician who cited him as a role model.


  3. on July 25, 2021 at 18:44 Darlene

    This is fascinating!!


  4. on July 26, 2021 at 02:27 Lynne

    Darlene took the words out of my mouth! Just fascinating, Vic!


  5. on July 26, 2021 at 12:13 Kevin Lindsey

    Wow! I never even thought of connecting Thomas Moore and Jane Austen! Fascinating!!


  6. on July 27, 2021 at 18:18 ronalddunning

    I’ve been trying to think of what I can add. As all of the Austen biographies have reported, Mrs Austen was descended from the aristocracy – from the Lords Chandos. Tracing them back, her branch was descended from John of Gaunt (of Shakespearean fame), one of the later Plantagenets; and therefore from his father Edward III, and the line of kings before him. The wife of Henry I (son of William the Conqueror), Matilda of Scotland, was the daughter of the Scottish king, Malcolm Canmore. And Malcolm’s father was King Duncan I – who was killed in the year 1040, either in battle with or murdered by his cousin Macbeth. Jane Austen was a 19th-great-granddaughter of Duncan’s (which must make Macbeth a very distant cousin).


    • on August 1, 2021 at 05:58 generalgtony

      Now, Ronald, you have me comparing Shakespeare’s Lady Macbeth with known personality traits of Jane Austen. Ha! Ha!


  7. on August 8, 2021 at 02:13 dholcomb1

    What a fascinating family tree Jane had.

    denise



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